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I tried to explain the same thing in my other post.

Lor, if you don't want this topic to discuss feminism/equality anymore, then that's your right as OP. I suppose if anyone wants to talk more about gender equality on this matter, we can always create a topic of our own so we don't derail this topic of yours!

Oh no I don't mind discussion it's just I worry that it'll end in someone with hurt feelings and yeah. I guess I'm an over worrier. x.x When it comes to views on things like that someone often gets hurt. Be it the person who brought up the mildly different topic or the one who felt that it had no place there.

The original thing is people seem to feel that MLP is still only for girls when as we've been told over and over, guys in their twenties, guys who are in the us military, teens and even boys like it alongside women and girls. My original point of this was to bring light to it and let people see that something so wrong still exists and see people's views on what they feel was wrong with the way it was handled. I'm also a bit sorry if I seem a bit spacey atm. x.x

This is how it works. Girls can like girl things and boy things. Boys can only like boy things. Girls can dress in boy clothes, boys can't dress in girl clothes.

To be a girly girl could be seen as an insult, to be called a manly man generally isn't.

Is it fair? Nope. Is it how things currently are? Yup.

Honestly, I think everyone is so hell bent to fit in and be 'normal' that we forget what having fun can be like. [RADIO EDIT] it and do whatever makes you happy, standards be damned. There isn't a person on the planet who can control how good you feel but you.

This has nothing to do with feminism at all.

I shouldn't need to clarify this, but it's a result of a broken school system. The kid could've been bullied for being gay, or wearing a fedora, or bringing a gigantic teddy bear to the school. It doesn't matter.

Here are the facts:

A. Kid brought thing to school.

B. Kid was bullied for it.

C. Kid was told not to bring said item to school anymore because it "triggered" the bullies.

Can anyone explain to me where the feminism comes in? Because the way I see it, it's just bullies doing what bullies do. They find an outlier and pick on them. It's been something that exists since the beginning of time. Cain was jealous of Abel and killed him. Jacob tricked Esau into giving him his birthright. The Senate stabbed Caesar. Hitler committed mass genocide. They're extreme cases, but we remember them in history.

Zero-Tolerance Policies in schools have existed for a little while now. People get bullied all the time with no consequences, regardless of what they were bullied for. My dad was a victim of bullying, and I, myself have been bullied. I guarantee my children (God willing I have them) will encounter a bully at some point in their lives, and I guarantee you my grandparents have encountered bullies too.

The problem isn't the bullying- We can't ever "solve" bullying. What we can solve is how we handle the issue of bullying.

Can we please not turn this into an equality issue when equality is clearly a non-issue here? The issue is Zero-Tolerance Policies, a complacent bystander society, and a bunch of idiots in charge who think that if we try and be nice enough, and ignore them enough, and make everyone else try to not do anything and ignore the bullies, then the bullies will eventually stop! Nobody is being treated like a second-class citizen. We aren't denying anyone their fundamental rights. (The school is within its right to ask certain things of its students- even if that request is wrong.)

Point is, the school's being dumb about bullying, our government is being dumb about bullying, (and the public school system in general,) and everyone should homeschool.

This has been Common Sense with Oaky. Join me next time when I tackle the social issue of racism!

Peace.

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the avatar makes this about nine million times more priceless

might upload this to /cringe

Because in the subtext of the issue, the excuse is partially 'this is something for girls so naturally other kids will bully a boy for liking it' - which comes around to the idea that boys shouldn't like certain things because they're not 'manly enough'. I understand that this is why some people focus on the feminism/equality part, but like you explained, the real issue is not about the MLP backpack, it's about the way the school blames the kid when the bullies should be taken care of.

It's not just the "real" issue- It's the only issue. Like, so the kid had an MLP backpack. So what? I would've probably given him a little bit of a hard time about it, had I been one of his peers and gone to his school. Typically, boys don't wear backpacks that have a bunch of hearts, anthro ponies, and sparkles on them. Not a big deal. But it's not a feminism issue by any means.

I mean, think about the logic behind Minstresly's argument. The kid was bullied by bullies, and the school didn't do anything about it. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR JUST ABOUT FOREVER.

Minstrelsy here is trying to turn this into a Social Justice debate by saying "Oh he's wearing a MLP backpack! UGH HE'S SO OPPRESSED. Men are just as oppressed by the women! [By whom, I ask?] We're all oppressed by the G-D patriarchy! EVERYONE IS OPPRESSED ARRRGGHHH. Did you know that you can be something other than a gender stereotype??? Shocking, I know."

This should be a clear discussion of how the school system is broken. No politics. It doesn't matter what the kid was wearing, or thinking, or doing.

Instead, there's been a muddying of the waters by folks who think feminism is the cure for every social problem in the universe.

Go sell crazy somewhere else, like Tumblr. We're all stocked up here.

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