So is the idea that once someone creates a setting, it springs into existence as an alternate universe, and there are time shenanigans that allow people to have been reincarnated from it? If so, at what point does that happen? Upon publication? If someone publishes their first novel and then decide "elves can also do ___!" then what happens--is another universe created? Are there people who could be kin from the first universe who refuse the second one? Or is the idea that the universe already exists in entirety and the creator is somehow learning details about it, that every progression of the setting is just them viewing this universe more clearly?
Heimdall wrote:
So is the idea that once someone creates a setting, it springs into existence as an alternate universe, and there are time shenanigans that allow people to have been reincarnated from it? If so, at what point does that happen? Upon publication? If someone publishes their first novel and then decide "elves can also do ___!" then what happens--is another universe created? Are there people who could be kin from the first universe who refuse the second one? Or is the idea that the universe already exists in entirety and the creator is somehow learning details about it, that every progression of the setting is just them viewing this universe more clearly?
The idea is the universe already exists and we get inspiration/ideas based on deja vu from our past lives that bleeds into our conscious minds.
For instance, take in cultural examples that everywhere in the world has some type of dragon in their mythology. Everyone ASSUMES dragons originated from China but in every civilization dragons and other mythos are depicted, the similar concept with small variations. How is that possible especially when certain parts of the world had no way to contact one another to exchange the idea or concept? How is it MILLIONS of people came up with the same 'idea'?
There has been no physical 'proof' that dragons exist either. No Dna evidence and from that it's not far-fetched to draw a conclusion perhaps dragons were something many people experienced in a past life, a past life in another universe. That would explain how SOOOO many individuals wrote about, draw, described and believed in the same concepts.
TinyCentaur wrote:
I am honestly curious about this subject. It's something that's been playing on my mind for a few months.
Tumblr's general view on Kin is quite... toxic, to put it nicely. I've seen mixed views and many different ways to say what kin is. I really want to know more about it, as my own feelings about certain characters might be related but I'm unsure.
For example, the character Bendy from BATIM is someone I adore greatly. So much so that I draw a lot of him, which is rare for me to do so much fanart. Actually, I don't do fanart at all.
Though I wouldn't call myself kin for Bendy. I'm the type of person who will outright love something for three months straight before forgetting it entirely after.
This is an idea I'd like to explore personally though. But tell me, is it more than finding a character aesthetically pleasing, or their personality is similar to your own? I really want to know what defines kin.
Sorry if this sounds patronising/menacing at all. I always worry about coming off the wrong way when asking questions due to previous reactions I've got from asking simply questions of curiousity.
Tumblr's general view on Kin is quite... toxic, to put it nicely. I've seen mixed views and many different ways to say what kin is. I really want to know more about it, as my own feelings about certain characters might be related but I'm unsure.
For example, the character Bendy from BATIM is someone I adore greatly. So much so that I draw a lot of him, which is rare for me to do so much fanart. Actually, I don't do fanart at all.
Though I wouldn't call myself kin for Bendy. I'm the type of person who will outright love something for three months straight before forgetting it entirely after.
This is an idea I'd like to explore personally though. But tell me, is it more than finding a character aesthetically pleasing, or their personality is similar to your own? I really want to know what defines kin.
Sorry if this sounds patronising/menacing at all. I always worry about coming off the wrong way when asking questions due to previous reactions I've got from asking simply questions of curiousity.
Not patronizing at all. Kin is definitely far more than just relating or liking a character. If you see my reply to Heimdall in this forum thread it might answer more of your questions.
But on another note Tumblr is fairly toxic in itself. It's a site that enables a lot of unhealthy things and communes hate to people who dont fit into the desired boxes people want them to. Not to mention many of the kin on Tumblr ARE toxic and use kin more of a method to cope with their supposed' mental disorders' which half the time end up being self diagnosed and that in itself is soooooo unhealthy.
Cryptid wrote:
Heimdall wrote:
So is the idea that once someone creates a setting, it springs into existence as an alternate universe, and there are time shenanigans that allow people to have been reincarnated from it? If so, at what point does that happen? Upon publication? If someone publishes their first novel and then decide "elves can also do ___!" then what happens--is another universe created? Are there people who could be kin from the first universe who refuse the second one? Or is the idea that the universe already exists in entirety and the creator is somehow learning details about it, that every progression of the setting is just them viewing this universe more clearly?
The idea is the universe already exists and we get inspiration/ideas based on deja vu from our past lives that bleeds into our conscious minds.
For instance, take in cultural examples that everywhere in the world has some type of dragon in their mythology. Everyone ASSUMES dragons originated from China but in every civilization dragons and other mythos are depicted, the similar concept with small variations. How is that possible especially when certain parts of the world had no way to contact one another to exchange the idea or concept? How is it MILLIONS of people came up with the same 'idea'?
There has been no physical 'proof' that dragons exist either. No Dna evidence and from that it's not far-fetched to draw a conclusion perhaps dragons were something many people experienced in a past life, a past life in another universe. That would explain how SOOOO many individuals wrote about, draw, described and believed in the same concepts.
In addition, it can be that people have some tie or connection to that universe without knowing it. Thus get inspiration and write on it as you've said/asked in your question. Just like how some view dreams as a 'portal' to another realm or realms for spirits and ghosts. Everything that has ever been made or created has been influenced by SOMETHING. Everything is influenced into creation one way or another.
I am diametrically opposed to this viewpoint and find it insulting, and so will not engage you any further.
I read that entire conversation and understood nothing.
I can certainly understand where Heimdall is coming from, as we are both writers. Being told that your ideas, your characters aren't not even 'yours' is certainly something a lot of writers would perceive as deeply insulting. It could also be a slippery slope leading to 'If it doesn't 'belong' to them in the first place, it's not 'stealing' to plagiarize or rip-off/copy their work.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
Zhi wrote:
I can certainly understand where Heimdall is coming from, as we are both writers. Being told that your ideas, your characters aren't not even 'yours' is certainly something a lot of writers would perceive as deeply insulting. It could also be a slippery slope leading to 'If it doesn't 'belong' to them in the first place, it's not 'stealing' to plagiarize or rip-off/copy their work.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
It's not in the matter of the case of a character not being yours. The example of dragons and use of literary work was more in reference to species than it is a proclaimed fleshed out character. Nobody is to say it isnt yours either, considering many of the influences for characters come from or can be inspired from a persons past life.
Cryptid wrote:
Zhi wrote:
I can certainly understand where Heimdall is coming from, as we are both writers. Being told that your ideas, your characters aren't not even 'yours' is certainly something a lot of writers would perceive as deeply insulting. It could also be a slippery slope leading to 'If it doesn't 'belong' to them in the first place, it's not 'stealing' to plagiarize or rip-off/copy their work.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
It's not in the matter of the case of a character not being yours. The example of dragons and use of literary work was more in reference to species than it is a proclaimed fleshed out character. Nobody is to say it isnt yours either, considering many of the influences for characters come from or can be inspired from a persons past life.
I dont know how someone can conclude this as being or coming across as "your character is not yours." Is it my wording? I have to admit I do struggle with a few social disorders and while I may word something that makes perfect sense to ME or has a certain meaning to ME. To others, such as yourselves may interpret what I'm saying as the opposite or to something that I'm not seeing.
Heimdall wrote:
I am diametrically opposed to this viewpoint and find it insulting, and so will not engage you any further.
I'm slightly confused as to what the issue is or what exactly is insulting?
It's a spiritual belief as it'd be with the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians that some of their people were gods of their folklore or fiction reicarnated.
This is at least to my understanding. The universe already pre-exists but without indefinite proof no one can say universes aren't created upon publication. In reality, we have no idea how the fabrication of universes work.
Zhi wrote:
I can certainly understand where Heimdall is coming from, as we are both writers. Being told that your ideas, your characters aren't not even 'yours' is certainly something a lot of writers would perceive as deeply insulting. It could also be a slippery slope leading to 'If it doesn't 'belong' to them in the first place, it's not 'stealing' to plagiarize or rip-off/copy their work.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
However, I can certainly understand identifying deeply with a fictional character. I won't tell you what you can or can't believe in addition to that, but just thought you might like to hear the perspective many an author would have.
Fictionkin is not about claiming a "character" as yours. The universe in which they belong in and which is broadcasted/publicized etc is copyrighted to the one who produced it.
Fictionkin in itself is believing in multiple universes fictional "characters" or species exist with multiple timelines thus in which you, I or anyone else could have lived a life as, died and became reincarnated into this life. That also means it could be the same "character" as oh say, Mickey Mouse but thats not to say an individual lived exactly as that canon timeline either.
It isn't even harmful IMO. Tumblr, yes. Tumblr blows things out of proportion. Which why some people may not understand things.
As a Fickin myself and a Canon Rper, since I can't make OCs well. It makes me feel barricaded and ostracised when I joined other sites, only to get insulted and belittlement. I ID with Gunvolt, Asroc and Jota. I don't claim them as my own, but I have a connection to them. It's also my way of coping and dealing with BS and things I had happen to me in real life and my early internet days. It doesn't hurt anyone. I have friends who first disliked the idea until I explained to them. They accept me for who I am.
Maybe I am a bit sensitive to some things, but a few things and bringing me some bad memories back when I was 14.
As a Fickin myself and a Canon Rper, since I can't make OCs well. It makes me feel barricaded and ostracised when I joined other sites, only to get insulted and belittlement. I ID with Gunvolt, Asroc and Jota. I don't claim them as my own, but I have a connection to them. It's also my way of coping and dealing with BS and things I had happen to me in real life and my early internet days. It doesn't hurt anyone. I have friends who first disliked the idea until I explained to them. They accept me for who I am.
Maybe I am a bit sensitive to some things, but a few things and bringing me some bad memories back when I was 14.
Fictionkin in essence is the same as otherkin and under debate could fall under fictionkin. As otherkin focuses on Kin such as or originated as having past life or relation to; elves, fairies, werewolves, vampires. Mythical species that are categorized as 'fictional'.
For example Asroc uses Kin as a cope. Not all fictionkin identify as they due for a cope mechanism and for others it is purely spiritual.
Cryptid wrote:
Fictionkin in essence is the same as otherkin and under debate could fall under fictionkin. As otherkin focuses on Kin such as or originated as having past life or relation to; elves, fairies, werewolves, vampires. Mythical species that are categorized as 'fictional'.
It isn't even harmful.
I apologise if my post came off as angry. Some other posts hit close to home to me.
It's not a new thing. People have had the belief of reincarnation of 'fictional' beings from Native American tales, to Egyptian gods, To Roman and Greek gods. It's been a concept and belief for years and years before we had television.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
Cryptid wrote:
For example Asroc uses Kin as a cope. Not all fictionkin identify as they due for a cope mechanism and for others it is purely spiritual.
Plus he reoccurring dreams I kept having as these characters.
Cryptid wrote:
It's not a new thing. People have had the belief of reincarnation of 'fictional' beings from Native American tales, to Egyptian gods, To Roman and Greek gods. It's been a concept and belief for years and years before we had television.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
And I find it fascinating.
Asroc wrote:
Cryptid wrote:
It's not a new thing. People have had the belief of reincarnation of 'fictional' beings from Native American tales, to Egyptian gods, To Roman and Greek gods. It's been a concept and belief for years and years before we had television.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
It is no way claiming a canon or non canon concept or character.
And I find it fascinating.
I'm confused on how anyone can interpret fictionkin as "i'm claiming a character as mine and it isnt yours."
You are on: Forums » Smalltalk » Any Fictionkin on RPR?
Moderators: Mina, Keke, Cass, Claine, Sanne, Dragonfire, Ilmarinen, Darth_Angelus