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Ilmarinen Moderator

Possible!
What if labyrinth was the key?
Ilmarinen Moderator

I'm in and out right now, doing something for D-man
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

Oh, the key was definitely garbage, but the phrase was still garbage, I meant. XD
Kim Topic Starter Site Admin

While we're assembling facts: There have been six bottle messages relating to this puzzle. May want to make sure those are included in your assemblage. :)
Alright, time to open up every bottle in the armory.
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

I've seen four of those messages! Let's go see what the other thread has to say.
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

Oh, five: "The koi cat is not the one who's pointing", too.
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

And from the messages thread: "Puzzle 2: Your key begins with the chosen letters".
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

Which seems to point back to things being a keyword cipher: you stick your key at the beginning of the alphabet, pulling out all the letters that are in the key, and do a substitution from there.
Ilmarinen Moderator

Yeah... maybe the key is LONGER than "BHARTVOG" ?
Okay, so shall we make a list of all the clues we have so far?
Clues Assembled
Your key begins with the chosen letters
The koi cat is not the one who's pointing.
The pointers in both the comics and the video must be utilized.
Move your chosen letters to the start
You can shift in directions other than forward
Shift the number of displaced letters
A phrase where we enter
Look where I point
Your cipher is your key, but shifted
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

A key always ends up the length of the alphabet, in doing a keyword substitution cipher - it's just how the letters are jumbled around at the beginning (and in the middle, due to the key letters being pulled out) that create the encryption.
Yeah. But, here's a thought, what if we put the key at the END of the alphabet?
TheNightmareSavage wrote:
Alright, time to open up every bottle in the armory.

I hope one of the collections is for empty bottles! >;)
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

Well, I mean, one of the messages is "Move your chosen letters to the start".
Ilmarinen Moderator

Yeah, but there may be more beginning-jumbling than just sticking BHARTVOG up there... and Nightmare, it does say to move the chosen letters to the "start." I guess that doesn't necessarily mean the beginning of the alphabet, though.
Dragonfire (played by Dragonfire)

Hrm hrm. Tried rearranging our pulled-out-letters in alphabetical order, shifting, and using that as a key - didn't work.
I'll try to start brainstorming ideas.
Ilmarinen Moderator

If we are looking at a 2-layer encryption, wherein the garbled phrase is encryped using a keyword, and the keyword is encrypted with a shift/Caesarian... that just means we have to figure out 1) How to turn 'BHARTVOG' into the right keyword and 2) how much to shift by.

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