I'm not sure if it runs the same in other countries, but at least in the US, June is LGBTQIA+ Pride Month. Throughout the month, many cities dedicate assorted weekends (or more) to events for the community, such as special gatherings, fairs, and parades. It can also be a good time to stock up on Pride gear (rainbow or otherwise), as many companies will specially feature it and many (not all) are good enough to donate at least partial proceeds to organizations that help LGBTQIA+ folks, companies run by queer folks often have deals, and you can also look up independent queer folks making neat stuff.
I've never gone to any Pride events myself, partly due to being otherwise busy, partly from just not feeling like I belong (I fall under identities that often get forgotten or intentionally excluded). I'm probably going to have to miss it again this year, but I wanted to at least see a little something here.
Are you LGBTQIA+/queer? If you're comfortable, I'd love to hear about it. Maybe it's just a quick "I'm X." Maybe you've gone deep and have some super specific labels. Maybe you're even willing to share a little of how you came to identify yourself.
Are you going to a Pride event? I'd love to see some photos, so long as you have the consent of anyone who could be identified in the photo. If you can't get consent but still want to share photos, please censor out the individual(s) face and anything identifiable about their clothes. You can also just show off stuff you have/got!
Is there an organization or shop you think deserves attention? Does it have some great Pride merch? Is it run by queer folks (regardless what it does)? Does it benefit queer folks? Awesome, let's hear about it!
Remember to keep everything in that PG13-ish area! I know this also limits out some legitimately helpful tools that might be difficult to obtain or even learn about, but for public forums posts, we need to stick to public forums rules.
I've never gone to any Pride events myself, partly due to being otherwise busy, partly from just not feeling like I belong (I fall under identities that often get forgotten or intentionally excluded). I'm probably going to have to miss it again this year, but I wanted to at least see a little something here.
Are you LGBTQIA+/queer? If you're comfortable, I'd love to hear about it. Maybe it's just a quick "I'm X." Maybe you've gone deep and have some super specific labels. Maybe you're even willing to share a little of how you came to identify yourself.
Are you going to a Pride event? I'd love to see some photos, so long as you have the consent of anyone who could be identified in the photo. If you can't get consent but still want to share photos, please censor out the individual(s) face and anything identifiable about their clothes. You can also just show off stuff you have/got!
Is there an organization or shop you think deserves attention? Does it have some great Pride merch? Is it run by queer folks (regardless what it does)? Does it benefit queer folks? Awesome, let's hear about it!
Remember to keep everything in that PG13-ish area! I know this also limits out some legitimately helpful tools that might be difficult to obtain or even learn about, but for public forums posts, we need to stick to public forums rules.
A piece of history
The event that spawned Pride celebrations was a riot in Stonewall, and we would not have it without trans women of color standing up for their right to exist and be treated as human. Though many have referred to it as "Gay Pride" for years, homosexuality is only a piece of the whole!
By the way, I'm asexual and demigirl.
I actually don't feel like going into more detail just at the moment, but I might at some later point. ^^
I actually don't feel like going into more detail just at the moment, but I might at some later point. ^^
HAPPY PRIDE MONTH!
Cheers for the awesome topic, Novalyyn!
I'm a cisgender girl and bisexual, which I personally choose to define as "attracted to my own gender and other genders" -- so ladies, dudes, non-binary people, agender peeps, any and all gender identities honestly. Not just men and women. I guess I'd say I'm about a Kinsey 4, though, roughly.
I've been completely open to myself and others about being queer since I was about 14; obviously it was there before that also but life's confusing and it took me a little while to figure out exactly what I was and how I felt. I've always been lucky enough to be surrounded by liberal and open-minded people, so coming out wasn't especially dramatic and I've been living my best life since.
This year I haven't been to any Pride celebrations yet because I've been sooooo busy with my studies, but I usually try to go, it tends to be a good time! As for queer-owned stores, again being a struggling student puts a bit of a dent into your finances, but I check in with Autostraddle every now and again, they have good lists of queer-owned business that you can support. Here's one! Oh and I also BADLY need this shirt.
Haha, sorry for going full tl;dr on you all but this is a great topic and I love hearing people's stories!
I'm a demigirl! I'm also bisexual (all gender identities) and demisexual.
I personally see Bi as the who and Demi as the how.
I'd definitely recommend people purchase from queer owned small businesses and not big corperations that really only care during June.
This should definitely be a month for giving to lgbtq+ people and not profiting off them, you know?
I unfortunately have a bad experience with pride events, being groped, kissed, touched, unconsentingly. So I don't feel safe there.
I personally see Bi as the who and Demi as the how.
I'd definitely recommend people purchase from queer owned small businesses and not big corperations that really only care during June.
This should definitely be a month for giving to lgbtq+ people and not profiting off them, you know?
I unfortunately have a bad experience with pride events, being groped, kissed, touched, unconsentingly. So I don't feel safe there.
StaticNightmares wrote:
Pansexual basically means that I don't care who I date, whether they're boy, girl, demigirl, non-binary, trans, etc. (It IS different to bisexual).
Mercyinreach wrote:
I unfortunately have a bad experience with pride events, being groped, kissed, touched, unconsentingly. So I don't feel safe there.
Happy pride month everyone 🏳️🌈!!! The GLBTQ+ community is such amazing group of people and I hope people in the future Will except the GLBTQ community
Agender, Bisexual, and Demiromantic (I think...??? Still figuring that last one out lmao)
I haven't gone to any pride events, nor do I think I will; Crowds make me nervous and I tend to burst into tears, I'd rather not
Personally, for whatever reason, I don't feel like I belong in the community either? This isn't from any of my identities or any experiences I've had or anything, but for some reason, since I've become aware of my own labels / who I am, I still don't feel like a part of the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? Like, whenever I see posts saying "Retweet if you're <list of sexualities> or an ally!" for some reason my brain will always default to the "Oh yeah, I'm an ally" answer and I have no clue why.
-shrug-
I haven't gone to any pride events, nor do I think I will; Crowds make me nervous and I tend to burst into tears, I'd rather not
Personally, for whatever reason, I don't feel like I belong in the community either? This isn't from any of my identities or any experiences I've had or anything, but for some reason, since I've become aware of my own labels / who I am, I still don't feel like a part of the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? Like, whenever I see posts saying "Retweet if you're <list of sexualities> or an ally!" for some reason my brain will always default to the "Oh yeah, I'm an ally" answer and I have no clue why.
-shrug-
I just happened to glimpse this topic this morning and I’m so glad it’s here; I love June and I love Pride, but I’m still in the closet for the most part.
It’s a bizarre dynamic for me because all of my friends in college know I’m bisexual, I was always extremely open about it when I got into my small program (definitely helped a ton being surrounded by other queer kids, who were crazy supportive and outspoken about their own sexualities). My best friend from high school knows, too, but that’s about it. I feel like I’m pretty blatant about it (being very vocal about my love of Emilia Clarke, for example), but my family is very traditional and just...I hate saying it, but they’re homophobic. To the point where I desperately want to come out, but am terrified of the reception I’d face if I did. I wouldn’t be disowned or kicked out, but I don’t necessarily believe it would be celebrated, either. Probably just shoved under the rug. I’ve almost come out a few times to my mom, and an aunt I’m close with, but I always end up chickening out. My mom says weird things about bi people sometimes, in a way that almost makes me feel like she knows — it’s weird. Anyway. Lol. This is such a ramble.
My boyfriend doesn’t even know and he loves me so much and so unconditionally that I truly don’t believe he’d react negatively if I told him outright...but I still get scared. It makes me feel like a coward.
But, back to PRIDE: I identify as bisexual, as in attracred to males and females — and honestly, I’d probably slap myself right in the middle of the scale. Sometimes I feel like I’m more female-oriented, just because I find myself more frequently admiring the women around me. It took me so long to accept it though.
Looking back, it should have been obvious to me as even a kid (have ya’ll seen Atlantis? I had crushes on Milo, Helga, and Kida), but I really must have repressed it because it wasn’t something I thought too much about until high school. I’d just seen The Wolf of Wall Street and at the lunch table, I could not stop talking about Margot Robbie. My friends all knew how much I loved Leo, but he wasn’t the one I kept mentioning. One of my friends, a lesbian (also recently out as non-binary) looked me dead in the eyes when I said “I have such a girl crush on her,” — Anna just stared at me and went: “But why does it have to be a girl crush?” I remember my cheeks went red and I just sat there, not knowing what to say.
Took me a full year after that of wrestling with how I felt to accept that I’m bi. Another year for me to really get comfortable with the label, as I grew and met more queer people. I love being bi, now. And someday I really hope I can find the courage to never hide it from anybody.
My town is crazy about Pride, too, so that’s awesome. I haven’t gotten to go, but I really want to — usually I’m out of town for the big parade. And currently I’m at work, so. Might be a no go this year. 😂😭
But thank you so much for creating this thread! I adore it! And it’s such a liberating thing for me to talk so openly about it, so thank you for tolerating my rambling. ❤️
Happy Pride! 🌈
It’s a bizarre dynamic for me because all of my friends in college know I’m bisexual, I was always extremely open about it when I got into my small program (definitely helped a ton being surrounded by other queer kids, who were crazy supportive and outspoken about their own sexualities). My best friend from high school knows, too, but that’s about it. I feel like I’m pretty blatant about it (being very vocal about my love of Emilia Clarke, for example), but my family is very traditional and just...I hate saying it, but they’re homophobic. To the point where I desperately want to come out, but am terrified of the reception I’d face if I did. I wouldn’t be disowned or kicked out, but I don’t necessarily believe it would be celebrated, either. Probably just shoved under the rug. I’ve almost come out a few times to my mom, and an aunt I’m close with, but I always end up chickening out. My mom says weird things about bi people sometimes, in a way that almost makes me feel like she knows — it’s weird. Anyway. Lol. This is such a ramble.
My boyfriend doesn’t even know and he loves me so much and so unconditionally that I truly don’t believe he’d react negatively if I told him outright...but I still get scared. It makes me feel like a coward.
But, back to PRIDE: I identify as bisexual, as in attracred to males and females — and honestly, I’d probably slap myself right in the middle of the scale. Sometimes I feel like I’m more female-oriented, just because I find myself more frequently admiring the women around me. It took me so long to accept it though.
Looking back, it should have been obvious to me as even a kid (have ya’ll seen Atlantis? I had crushes on Milo, Helga, and Kida), but I really must have repressed it because it wasn’t something I thought too much about until high school. I’d just seen The Wolf of Wall Street and at the lunch table, I could not stop talking about Margot Robbie. My friends all knew how much I loved Leo, but he wasn’t the one I kept mentioning. One of my friends, a lesbian (also recently out as non-binary) looked me dead in the eyes when I said “I have such a girl crush on her,” — Anna just stared at me and went: “But why does it have to be a girl crush?” I remember my cheeks went red and I just sat there, not knowing what to say.
Took me a full year after that of wrestling with how I felt to accept that I’m bi. Another year for me to really get comfortable with the label, as I grew and met more queer people. I love being bi, now. And someday I really hope I can find the courage to never hide it from anybody.
My town is crazy about Pride, too, so that’s awesome. I haven’t gotten to go, but I really want to — usually I’m out of town for the big parade. And currently I’m at work, so. Might be a no go this year. 😂😭
But thank you so much for creating this thread! I adore it! And it’s such a liberating thing for me to talk so openly about it, so thank you for tolerating my rambling. ❤️
Happy Pride! 🌈
DarkCrow wrote:
Personally, for whatever reason, I don't feel like I belong in the community either? This isn't from any of my identities or any experiences I've had or anything, but for some reason, since I've become aware of my own labels / who I am, I still don't feel like a part of the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? Like, whenever I see posts saying "Retweet if you're <list of sexualities> or an ally!" for some reason my brain will always default to the "Oh yeah, I'm an ally" answer and I have no clue why.
-shrug-
-shrug-
@Atrevida - Out or not, you're still awesome sauce.
Heeeey, I have some time and stuff, so! Warning, oversized paragraphs incoming.
I'm one of those folks who grew up assuming they were straight because, well... I'm not gay, so I must be straight, right? I actually remember asking a guy I knew in high school if he was gay (years later he shared that he was, but didn't want to deal with the folks in that area) because stereotypes, and he told me he was asexual and not into dating, and I was just like, "That's new. Okay, cool. Have fun." Years later, freaking 26 years old I actually go and look it up and ooooooh, okay, people are being serious when they talk about all those feelings and stuff! Wow I'm ace. Got it. (Yeah, I was lucky to be one of the ones who assumed others were full of hyperbole rather than that I was broken.) I'm actually still working out the details 4 years later.
Later on, thanks to a nerdy convention, I finally got an introduction to the trans community. (I knew they existed, I'd just never met any that I knew of.) Between that and the digging I was doing from asexuality to related and intersectional stuff, I learned about non-binary, and... honestly, it took me awhile to get over myself and my need to make sense of it (I wasn't outwardly dismissive, I hope, but still not great). Growing up, I didn't see gender as something that really... mattered. And I have a whole bunch of apology to make tied into that, but I haven't yet figured out how to do that right, so not right now. Anyway, that went from being comfortable just sticking to (cis) female, to "I don't really care but I'm used to she/her," to "actually now that I'm really thinking about it, he/him doesn't really bother me but usually doesn't feel correct either, I'm still too tied up in they/them seeming awkward to use it for myself (for others is fine), but there's still something here...?" What really helped pull it together was that sometimes when I looked in the mirror, something about how I was dressed or made up seemed somehow not right, and I couldn't figure out what it was... until someone in an ace group commented, "Sometimes when I look in the mirror, I feel like I'm in drag." That resonated with me so hard and really felt like the right phrasing, but then I was faced with "but how can I, as a woman, feel like I'm in drag when dressed as a woman?" Oh. I guess I could call myself gender fluid or non-binary, but... I still have some holdups about that, even though I know demigirl falls under those, and nonbinary additionally falls under trans. I also don't really consider it a major part of my identity, and don't really share it much (partly because I'm pretty passive about it, partly because I don't want a fuss). I do recall though that when I shared it with a trans friend, her response was, "I don't want to tell anyone their identities, but in the time I've known you, sometimes I get a feminine vibe from you, sometimes I get a non-binary vibe from you. I've never gotten a really clear masculine vibe from you." Which, especially coming from her, was super validating.
My labels as I have identified so far: Asexual (or at least grey ace/demisexual, uncertain), romantically heteroflexible, aroflux, demigirl, plus some additional non-queer modifiers that don't often appear outside ace communities. At it's simplest, I'm an a-spec demigirl. I am willing to explain more if anyone is curious.
I'm one of those folks who grew up assuming they were straight because, well... I'm not gay, so I must be straight, right? I actually remember asking a guy I knew in high school if he was gay (years later he shared that he was, but didn't want to deal with the folks in that area) because stereotypes, and he told me he was asexual and not into dating, and I was just like, "That's new. Okay, cool. Have fun." Years later, freaking 26 years old I actually go and look it up and ooooooh, okay, people are being serious when they talk about all those feelings and stuff! Wow I'm ace. Got it. (Yeah, I was lucky to be one of the ones who assumed others were full of hyperbole rather than that I was broken.) I'm actually still working out the details 4 years later.
Later on, thanks to a nerdy convention, I finally got an introduction to the trans community. (I knew they existed, I'd just never met any that I knew of.) Between that and the digging I was doing from asexuality to related and intersectional stuff, I learned about non-binary, and... honestly, it took me awhile to get over myself and my need to make sense of it (I wasn't outwardly dismissive, I hope, but still not great). Growing up, I didn't see gender as something that really... mattered. And I have a whole bunch of apology to make tied into that, but I haven't yet figured out how to do that right, so not right now. Anyway, that went from being comfortable just sticking to (cis) female, to "I don't really care but I'm used to she/her," to "actually now that I'm really thinking about it, he/him doesn't really bother me but usually doesn't feel correct either, I'm still too tied up in they/them seeming awkward to use it for myself (for others is fine), but there's still something here...?" What really helped pull it together was that sometimes when I looked in the mirror, something about how I was dressed or made up seemed somehow not right, and I couldn't figure out what it was... until someone in an ace group commented, "Sometimes when I look in the mirror, I feel like I'm in drag." That resonated with me so hard and really felt like the right phrasing, but then I was faced with "but how can I, as a woman, feel like I'm in drag when dressed as a woman?" Oh. I guess I could call myself gender fluid or non-binary, but... I still have some holdups about that, even though I know demigirl falls under those, and nonbinary additionally falls under trans. I also don't really consider it a major part of my identity, and don't really share it much (partly because I'm pretty passive about it, partly because I don't want a fuss). I do recall though that when I shared it with a trans friend, her response was, "I don't want to tell anyone their identities, but in the time I've known you, sometimes I get a feminine vibe from you, sometimes I get a non-binary vibe from you. I've never gotten a really clear masculine vibe from you." Which, especially coming from her, was super validating.
My labels as I have identified so far: Asexual (or at least grey ace/demisexual, uncertain), romantically heteroflexible, aroflux, demigirl, plus some additional non-queer modifiers that don't often appear outside ace communities. At it's simplest, I'm an a-spec demigirl. I am willing to explain more if anyone is curious.
Yknow, if someone can help me bc i might be wrong about my labels???
anyhoo, cis girl here! but if someone calls me he/they i don't mind, ig. Nor do I mind dressing in boy;s clothes (with the intention of looking male)
and i'm pansexual! open to date anyone, except frying pans and panda bears. Red pandas, however, are a huge yes, kehehe. I'm a straight up 3 on the scale, which is coolio! and i might or might not go to any pride events, idk, i'll have to check my area.
happy pride y'all!
anyhoo, cis girl here! but if someone calls me he/they i don't mind, ig. Nor do I mind dressing in boy;s clothes (with the intention of looking male)
and i'm pansexual! open to date anyone, except frying pans and panda bears. Red pandas, however, are a huge yes, kehehe. I'm a straight up 3 on the scale, which is coolio! and i might or might not go to any pride events, idk, i'll have to check my area.
happy pride y'all!
Happy pride month to everyone out there! Hope it's a good one.
Are you LGBTQIA+/queer?
Abso-fruitly. I've tried going under different labels in the past but never felt like I fit them, so using queer as an umbrella term suits me fine and I personally don't find it offensive. In summary: everyone is attractive and I'm in hell. I also don't care for gender, which is why I'm blasé about my pronouns.
Are you going to a Pride event?
For sure, if I can get back to the city in time. I'm in backwater Ontario working at the moment. I went to my first Pride last year, though, and it was fun! You were allowed to just waltz off the sidewalk into the parade and someone on a float was blasting Queen.
Is there an organization or shop you think deserves attention?
If you like bones and other curios, Aiden is a lovely member of the vulture culture community who does great work. They're openly pansexual and nonbinary and I know they'd appreciate the business.
Are you LGBTQIA+/queer?
Abso-fruitly. I've tried going under different labels in the past but never felt like I fit them, so using queer as an umbrella term suits me fine and I personally don't find it offensive. In summary: everyone is attractive and I'm in hell. I also don't care for gender, which is why I'm blasé about my pronouns.
Are you going to a Pride event?
For sure, if I can get back to the city in time. I'm in backwater Ontario working at the moment. I went to my first Pride last year, though, and it was fun! You were allowed to just waltz off the sidewalk into the parade and someone on a float was blasting Queen.
Is there an organization or shop you think deserves attention?
If you like bones and other curios, Aiden is a lovely member of the vulture culture community who does great work. They're openly pansexual and nonbinary and I know they'd appreciate the business.
Novalyyn wrote:
DarkCrow wrote:
Personally, for whatever reason, I don't feel like I belong in the community either? This isn't from any of my identities or any experiences I've had or anything, but for some reason, since I've become aware of my own labels / who I am, I still don't feel like a part of the LGBTQ+ community as a whole? Like, whenever I see posts saying "Retweet if you're <list of sexualities> or an ally!" for some reason my brain will always default to the "Oh yeah, I'm an ally" answer and I have no clue why.
-shrug-
-shrug-
Novalyyn wrote:
(personal experiences, snipping because it's long)
I relate so much to this. I'm queer, asexual and probably demi-grayromantic. As for gender, well, I often semi-joke that my ideal body is that of an android with no sex characteristics, and I experience what I think might be gender dysphoria but I'm too afraid of sharing what I feel with someone who'd know in order to find out for sure. I try to take pride in my identity, but there's so much acephobia, arophobia, and enforcement of the gender binary out there, even among queer people, that I feel like an outsider in my own community. Even my dad, who is otherwise one of the most supportive people in my life and whom I love dearly, keeps telling me to keep an open mind and reminding me to be safe in case I ever decide to have sex, because he "wants me to be happy." And almost everyone outside my family and small group of friends has made the plant/bacteria joke upon my coming out to them, if they didn't outright tell me my identity wasn't real.
For the longest time, I thought I was broken. When I was a kid, around the time when everyone around me was starting to hit puberty and develop crushes, I didn't feel anything for anyone, so I thought that people had to make a conscious decision to like someone, picked a random classmate, and convinced myself I had a crush on them. It wasn't until a couple months later I realized that wasn't how it worked and immediately dropped all my pretend feelings for the person. After that I went through a long period when I thought I was a straight person pretending to be something else, and hated myself for it. Then I thought I might just be so perverted that nothing "normal" did it for me, and hated that, too. I discovered asexuality by chance while on a Wikipedia binge and realized my experiences matched up with what I was reading, and it was like taking off a blindfold that I'd been wearing all my life. Even then, I'd never felt romantic feelings towards anyone, so I figured I was aromantic too, until I caught myself by surprise one day by realizing I wanted to spend the rest of my life with my best friend, to whom I'm now happily engaged.
I've been to my local Pride event once before, but because it was such a small event that I found it underwhelming and didn't find much to represent my own identity there. It was a fun day outing, but I don't know if I want to go again this year. The religious people there who were protesting our right to express ourselves didn't help, either. I've found just as much acceptance and support at anime conventions as I did at Pride, and I can only afford to go to one this year (the parade was free to attend, but the rest of the event had an admission fee), so I figure I might as well go to the anime convention.
As far as organizations I'd like to plug, the Asexuality Visibility and Education Network was probably the biggest help in my path to self-discovery aside from the Wikipedia page on asexuality, so go check them out if you want to learn more about asexuality or just network with fellow aces!
@Malachite - OH goodness the fake crushes. I had my first fake crush in friggin' preschool because my best friend was a boy and my parents jumped on that. Then in like first grade there were two boys who sorta vaguely competed over me and I was like "Well this is flattering... Uh, the sweet and quiet one I guess? But thanks or showing off you're strong enough to lift the lunch table, dude." Then I third grade, I assigned myself a crush on a popular boy for some reason, got embarrassed when I got caught attempting secret admirer hijinks, and finally decided to stop that crap. Amatanormativity, especially heteronormativity, can really mess things up. XP
And definitely take this next thing with a grain of salt, but... The word "dysphoria" means "too much to bear" and does get used in things unrelated to gender, and generally refers to the idea of something being so painful that it can cause depression spirals and make a person go far out of their way to avoid having to face that thing. Even being that strong though, folks often (not always) end up needing mental health professionals to help them realize that that is what they are experiencing. At the same time, the way some talk about it, it comes across less like that and more like just a disconcerting feeling that something isn't right - enough that that might even be the popular definition now. And all of that aside, trans and enby folks I know fight the idea that gender dysphoria is a prerequisite, even though they do struggle with the full effects themselves (and kinda because of it, they hope for a time people don't have to suffer just to be acknowledged).
And, uh... Since the subject recently came up elsewhere, I've always been terrified to say anything partly because of the looks, but even more because I figured it was surely just the sentiment of an insensitive dork with too much privilege just wanting to be "special"... But I really wish I was intersex, and I have at least since middle or high school. I still generally favor a more feminine presentation, but at least in the pants, I wish I was both. One of the biggest reasons I've considered the genetic testing craze was to see if they tested the sex chromosomes (they don't so far as I can tell), just to see if maybe I was one of the hidden genetic varients of intersex.
Being female, or seen as female, has never been painful to me though. Mildly annoying at the very worst, and even that not often.
And definitely take this next thing with a grain of salt, but... The word "dysphoria" means "too much to bear" and does get used in things unrelated to gender, and generally refers to the idea of something being so painful that it can cause depression spirals and make a person go far out of their way to avoid having to face that thing. Even being that strong though, folks often (not always) end up needing mental health professionals to help them realize that that is what they are experiencing. At the same time, the way some talk about it, it comes across less like that and more like just a disconcerting feeling that something isn't right - enough that that might even be the popular definition now. And all of that aside, trans and enby folks I know fight the idea that gender dysphoria is a prerequisite, even though they do struggle with the full effects themselves (and kinda because of it, they hope for a time people don't have to suffer just to be acknowledged).
And, uh... Since the subject recently came up elsewhere, I've always been terrified to say anything partly because of the looks, but even more because I figured it was surely just the sentiment of an insensitive dork with too much privilege just wanting to be "special"... But I really wish I was intersex, and I have at least since middle or high school. I still generally favor a more feminine presentation, but at least in the pants, I wish I was both. One of the biggest reasons I've considered the genetic testing craze was to see if they tested the sex chromosomes (they don't so far as I can tell), just to see if maybe I was one of the hidden genetic varients of intersex.
Being female, or seen as female, has never been painful to me though. Mildly annoying at the very worst, and even that not often.
Happy Pride Month. Great idea for a topic.
TL;DR:
I publically identify as a homosexual female. It's the easiest way to explain who I am without talking about sliding scales and percentages and trying to define masculinity and femininity.
But in reality, mentally, I feel masculine. There are a few ways in which I'm not masculine. And...many people close to me don't think I seem masculine. But I do. Mentally, I think of myself as like 80% masculine.
However, I don't have any body dysphoria about having a female body.
And I'm so used to it and the mannerisms that go with it that I wouldn't want to change my body to reflect how I feel mentally.
So I publically identify as a homosexual female, because I am biologically female but attracted to females.
We might go to Pride, but they are having it on fairgrounds this year, so they're going to charge to get it, and charge for parking, and it's always hot and crowded, so we may or may not go. Depends on funds, and the weather. I think it's nice that Pride has gotten so big that they have to rent fairgrounds, though.
They usually have it in "the gayborhood" where a lot of the local gay bars are at, but this year there are going to be too many people, so they moved it. So, yay.
TL;DR:
I publically identify as a homosexual female. It's the easiest way to explain who I am without talking about sliding scales and percentages and trying to define masculinity and femininity.
But in reality, mentally, I feel masculine. There are a few ways in which I'm not masculine. And...many people close to me don't think I seem masculine. But I do. Mentally, I think of myself as like 80% masculine.
However, I don't have any body dysphoria about having a female body.
And I'm so used to it and the mannerisms that go with it that I wouldn't want to change my body to reflect how I feel mentally.
So I publically identify as a homosexual female, because I am biologically female but attracted to females.
We might go to Pride, but they are having it on fairgrounds this year, so they're going to charge to get it, and charge for parking, and it's always hot and crowded, so we may or may not go. Depends on funds, and the weather. I think it's nice that Pride has gotten so big that they have to rent fairgrounds, though.
They usually have it in "the gayborhood" where a lot of the local gay bars are at, but this year there are going to be too many people, so they moved it. So, yay.
Like everything with me, the explaination is a little complicated...
So...I am definitely a person who is attracted to women. That makes me a lesbian. Or at least that's how I explain it. However. Let's talk about gender identity.
I'm 39 years old. I was born in 1980. So that factors into the possibilities that were available and the decisions I made.
Gender identity seems like a complicated issue to me. The funny thing is, no one thinks I'm masculine. Except me.
And except, maybe, my best Cheri. And to a lesser degree, my best friend Amber. Those are the two people who know me best, because we grew up together.
When I was a kid, it was easy to tell that I was masculine.
Everyone called me a tomboy. When my hair was cut short, a few months into the school year someone ended up talking to me and heard people calling me "Gail," and she came up to me and said,
"Wait...are you a boy or a girl? You're a girl?! No way! This whole year I thought you were a boy. I thought your name was Miguel!" (Because "Gail" kinda rhymes with "Miguel.")
Just to be clear, she was serious. It wasn't a joke. She had really thought I was a boy. Why?
Because I liked to wear boy clothes. I hated pink, I hated lace, I loved blue jeans, I loved tennis shoes.
Also because of my behavior. I loved playing cops and robbers, playing "war," climbing trees, running around the woods, making "bases," climbing anything I could. I couldn't remember to "sit like a lady" even on the rare occasion that I was trying to, and I hated wearing dresses and skirts. I basically refused to wear dresses and skirts.
Not to say that cisgender girls can't do any or all of these things -- they can. My best friend did many of these things right alongside me. But yet...i would not enjoy the girl stuff. Playing house always bored me, my friends putting make-up on me always just made me feel uncomfortable.
Even though some cisgender girls do all of these things, I still feel like my doing these things was an indicator of masculinity in me, because they're not as typical for girls as for boys.
As I grew up, though, I learned to blend. I started wearing make-up sometimes. And like some of you -- I too felt and always feel like I'm "in drag" when I'm wearing make-up. But it got me more attention. It got me more pleasant reactions. It's a means of gaining power, of seeming "dressed up."
So, especially when I started working, I wore make-up sometimes. I don't much now. Except to interviews. I do still wear makeup to interviews.
And I've quite mastered feminine mannerisms. I'm already a chatty person and I already smile when I'm nervous, so it wasn't hard. I'm a rather socially submissive person -- I avoid conflict, defer to the other person, apologize too much, that kind of stuff. Also I don't like bugs, and I can't handle gore and horror movies. I know that's a lot of stereotypes about masculinity, but the point is, for these reasons, as an adult, people almost always perceive me as a feminine person. By default, I present myself to people I don't know as a feminine person.
But...inside...no. Inside, mentally, I feel like a guy. I've always felt like a guy. I never thought I was a guy, physically. I also never wanted to change my body. When I hit puberty, getting boobs didn't bother me (except for the affect they had of getting random men at bus stops to hit on me, and things like that, which was annoying). I never had any body dysphoria, thank goodness. For me, the mind and body can be separate, and it's ok. For some people, I know that's not the case at all.
But yeah. I've always felt like, inside, I was masculine. I still feel that way. I can't explain what exactly the feeling consists of. I just think like a man. In certain ways, I think like a man.
It's hard to be clear cut about it, though, because there are some aspects of masculinity (or steotypical masculinity) that I don't seem to possess. I know this only because I tried it. I went through a phase in my life where I tried to a more "butch," in order to attract a girl who was "femme." I'm only attracted to girls that have some degree of the feminine vibe. I'm attracted to femme girls but also sometimes tomboys...but ONLY if they have a certain feminine vibe.
So...I tried to be "butch." And well, it's just not me. Maybe it's because I was socialized a certain way. Maybe it's because I'm naturally just feminine enough that I don't have certain stereotypical aspects of masculinity that others have, even though I'm mostly mentally masculine. I don't know.
The two aspects I seem to don't have as much of is: territorialism and lust. I don't have jealousy induced anger, I don't like getting into fights, and I don't look at people's bodies with that sort of hunger and lust that is normal for a lot of people (but I understand not necessarily aces). So that makes me wonder if I'm a little bit of a demisexual. Forming a bond with someone definitely increases the chance I will feel sexual attraction to them, and I'm almost never attracted to strangers in that sense (although sometimes).
Bottom line -- if I had been born say 20 years from now when it will be, perhaps, no big deal to transition, maybe I would have been a trans-male. As it is, however, I am biologically female and mentally 80-90% male, who is attracted only to feminine women. So...I'm either a heterosexual trans-male (right? I don't even know if that's how you would say it), OR I'm a homosexual female. Just typing the word cisgender out, though -- just even for the sake of argument -- seems wrong. But that's how I identify myself publically. Publically I identify myself as a homosexual cisgender (*cringe* - because I'm really not cisgender) female. However, people that know me best, know that I think I'm really a guy -- and most of them think that's funny because they think I am way too feminine for that. And that's fine. I've lived my life too long having feminine mannerisms to go changing now, I can't even completely pull off masculine mannerisms, so...I am who I am!
Interestingly, even though I "felt like a boy" from when I was young, I didn't know I was attracted to females until 8th grade. Until then, I thought I had a crush on Commander William Riker of Star Trek. Then in 8th grade, I learned what a crush really was when I got one on a beautiful girl I was in band with.
I did the secret admirer thing. Put letters in her locker. Drew pictures for her and put them in her locker. Thought I loved her. I never got caught, though. And I didn't tell her. Because she was straight. But that's how I knew, "holy crap, I'm gay? Okay."
The first person I told was my best friend, and not until I was 16 years old. So years later. I was nervous about how people would react. It was ok, though.
My mom didn't find out until after I met my future wife, although she knew from when I got my first girlfriend in my 20s, but it was all silent...she hinted that she knew but we didn't talk about it. I can't remember the first time it came out and we actually talked about it. But over the years I tried to explain it to her multiple times from every angle. Scientific, emotional, spiritual, legal. She doesn't understand it and refuses to accept that it's a natural and healthy variation of the human species.
One reason she doesn't understand it is that I think she herself is, in today's parlance...ACE. I don't think she has sexual feelings for the opposite gender or the same gender. I think she does, however, occasionally have semi-romantic feelings towards men. However, I don't think she's ever fallen in love and she generally doesn't like romantic physical contact as far as I've ever been able to tell. She talks about feelings of attraction as if they're something distant and scientific. Like she's never felt them. She made a decision about who to marry (my dad) mainly based on his intelligence and status. She feels love for friends and family, but I don't think she has ever experienced romantic love. So trying to explain my romantic love for a girl is just completely confusing to her. It's like we don't speak the same language.
She actually suggested once that maybe someone puts some drugs in my drink to make me "feel something," for women, as if there's a global conspiracy. And that's because she said the feelings I describe sound like the effects of a drug.
Because yeah, love does feel like a drug, to some extent. But if you've never felt it, you wouldn't know that that feeling can come naturally from a touch, a text message, that kind of stuff.
Anyway, she went into denial about it. Then, one day, she saw Sandra and I kiss, through a window. She could no longer deny it to herself that it wasnt just an idea I was having but was an action I was taking.
The story goes on from there, but that's the part where I was officially "out" to everyone that matters to me.
So...I am definitely a person who is attracted to women. That makes me a lesbian. Or at least that's how I explain it. However. Let's talk about gender identity.
I'm 39 years old. I was born in 1980. So that factors into the possibilities that were available and the decisions I made.
Gender identity seems like a complicated issue to me. The funny thing is, no one thinks I'm masculine. Except me.
And except, maybe, my best Cheri. And to a lesser degree, my best friend Amber. Those are the two people who know me best, because we grew up together.
When I was a kid, it was easy to tell that I was masculine.
Everyone called me a tomboy. When my hair was cut short, a few months into the school year someone ended up talking to me and heard people calling me "Gail," and she came up to me and said,
"Wait...are you a boy or a girl? You're a girl?! No way! This whole year I thought you were a boy. I thought your name was Miguel!" (Because "Gail" kinda rhymes with "Miguel.")
Just to be clear, she was serious. It wasn't a joke. She had really thought I was a boy. Why?
Because I liked to wear boy clothes. I hated pink, I hated lace, I loved blue jeans, I loved tennis shoes.
Also because of my behavior. I loved playing cops and robbers, playing "war," climbing trees, running around the woods, making "bases," climbing anything I could. I couldn't remember to "sit like a lady" even on the rare occasion that I was trying to, and I hated wearing dresses and skirts. I basically refused to wear dresses and skirts.
Not to say that cisgender girls can't do any or all of these things -- they can. My best friend did many of these things right alongside me. But yet...i would not enjoy the girl stuff. Playing house always bored me, my friends putting make-up on me always just made me feel uncomfortable.
Even though some cisgender girls do all of these things, I still feel like my doing these things was an indicator of masculinity in me, because they're not as typical for girls as for boys.
As I grew up, though, I learned to blend. I started wearing make-up sometimes. And like some of you -- I too felt and always feel like I'm "in drag" when I'm wearing make-up. But it got me more attention. It got me more pleasant reactions. It's a means of gaining power, of seeming "dressed up."
So, especially when I started working, I wore make-up sometimes. I don't much now. Except to interviews. I do still wear makeup to interviews.
And I've quite mastered feminine mannerisms. I'm already a chatty person and I already smile when I'm nervous, so it wasn't hard. I'm a rather socially submissive person -- I avoid conflict, defer to the other person, apologize too much, that kind of stuff. Also I don't like bugs, and I can't handle gore and horror movies. I know that's a lot of stereotypes about masculinity, but the point is, for these reasons, as an adult, people almost always perceive me as a feminine person. By default, I present myself to people I don't know as a feminine person.
But...inside...no. Inside, mentally, I feel like a guy. I've always felt like a guy. I never thought I was a guy, physically. I also never wanted to change my body. When I hit puberty, getting boobs didn't bother me (except for the affect they had of getting random men at bus stops to hit on me, and things like that, which was annoying). I never had any body dysphoria, thank goodness. For me, the mind and body can be separate, and it's ok. For some people, I know that's not the case at all.
But yeah. I've always felt like, inside, I was masculine. I still feel that way. I can't explain what exactly the feeling consists of. I just think like a man. In certain ways, I think like a man.
It's hard to be clear cut about it, though, because there are some aspects of masculinity (or steotypical masculinity) that I don't seem to possess. I know this only because I tried it. I went through a phase in my life where I tried to a more "butch," in order to attract a girl who was "femme." I'm only attracted to girls that have some degree of the feminine vibe. I'm attracted to femme girls but also sometimes tomboys...but ONLY if they have a certain feminine vibe.
So...I tried to be "butch." And well, it's just not me. Maybe it's because I was socialized a certain way. Maybe it's because I'm naturally just feminine enough that I don't have certain stereotypical aspects of masculinity that others have, even though I'm mostly mentally masculine. I don't know.
The two aspects I seem to don't have as much of is: territorialism and lust. I don't have jealousy induced anger, I don't like getting into fights, and I don't look at people's bodies with that sort of hunger and lust that is normal for a lot of people (but I understand not necessarily aces). So that makes me wonder if I'm a little bit of a demisexual. Forming a bond with someone definitely increases the chance I will feel sexual attraction to them, and I'm almost never attracted to strangers in that sense (although sometimes).
Bottom line -- if I had been born say 20 years from now when it will be, perhaps, no big deal to transition, maybe I would have been a trans-male. As it is, however, I am biologically female and mentally 80-90% male, who is attracted only to feminine women. So...I'm either a heterosexual trans-male (right? I don't even know if that's how you would say it), OR I'm a homosexual female. Just typing the word cisgender out, though -- just even for the sake of argument -- seems wrong. But that's how I identify myself publically. Publically I identify myself as a homosexual cisgender (*cringe* - because I'm really not cisgender) female. However, people that know me best, know that I think I'm really a guy -- and most of them think that's funny because they think I am way too feminine for that. And that's fine. I've lived my life too long having feminine mannerisms to go changing now, I can't even completely pull off masculine mannerisms, so...I am who I am!
Interestingly, even though I "felt like a boy" from when I was young, I didn't know I was attracted to females until 8th grade. Until then, I thought I had a crush on Commander William Riker of Star Trek. Then in 8th grade, I learned what a crush really was when I got one on a beautiful girl I was in band with.
I did the secret admirer thing. Put letters in her locker. Drew pictures for her and put them in her locker. Thought I loved her. I never got caught, though. And I didn't tell her. Because she was straight. But that's how I knew, "holy crap, I'm gay? Okay."
The first person I told was my best friend, and not until I was 16 years old. So years later. I was nervous about how people would react. It was ok, though.
My mom didn't find out until after I met my future wife, although she knew from when I got my first girlfriend in my 20s, but it was all silent...she hinted that she knew but we didn't talk about it. I can't remember the first time it came out and we actually talked about it. But over the years I tried to explain it to her multiple times from every angle. Scientific, emotional, spiritual, legal. She doesn't understand it and refuses to accept that it's a natural and healthy variation of the human species.
One reason she doesn't understand it is that I think she herself is, in today's parlance...ACE. I don't think she has sexual feelings for the opposite gender or the same gender. I think she does, however, occasionally have semi-romantic feelings towards men. However, I don't think she's ever fallen in love and she generally doesn't like romantic physical contact as far as I've ever been able to tell. She talks about feelings of attraction as if they're something distant and scientific. Like she's never felt them. She made a decision about who to marry (my dad) mainly based on his intelligence and status. She feels love for friends and family, but I don't think she has ever experienced romantic love. So trying to explain my romantic love for a girl is just completely confusing to her. It's like we don't speak the same language.
She actually suggested once that maybe someone puts some drugs in my drink to make me "feel something," for women, as if there's a global conspiracy. And that's because she said the feelings I describe sound like the effects of a drug.
Because yeah, love does feel like a drug, to some extent. But if you've never felt it, you wouldn't know that that feeling can come naturally from a touch, a text message, that kind of stuff.
Anyway, she went into denial about it. Then, one day, she saw Sandra and I kiss, through a window. She could no longer deny it to herself that it wasnt just an idea I was having but was an action I was taking.
The story goes on from there, but that's the part where I was officially "out" to everyone that matters to me.
Abigail, it might be worthwhile for you to look into non-binary and genderqueer. There is a lot within that with the founding concept being a break away from either/or, instead using a blend (or foregoing it all) as seems right to a given individual. And while swapping pronouns is certainly common, it is not required. I know a nonbinary person who prefers she/her.
I've also heard of a "group" called he/him lesbians. They are generally AFAB people, or at least identify as women who like women, but still prefer he/him pronouns.
You don't have to, of course, but your age doesn't mean you can't.
I've also heard of a "group" called he/him lesbians. They are generally AFAB people, or at least identify as women who like women, but still prefer he/him pronouns.
You don't have to, of course, but your age doesn't mean you can't.
Happy Pride Month!
I identify as bisexual, but I am mostly attracted to masculinity and femininity no matter their identity. I had to realise this about myself when I hardcore crushed on a female and had complicated feelings about her. And various others after! I told my immediate family and they very supportive. (Mom dated a girl once, and sister is also bisexual) I went on a date with a woman for the first time this year, she was a bit overly affectionate but it was fun for the times we met!
I won't be going to any Pride events as I don't feel very comfortable going. I tend to stick to supporting those in the military who LGBTQ+ and serving. Despite what the media might say, the Army at least has programs in place to prevent discrimination and we work hard to fight against hatred.
I don't think I have Pride merch, but perhaps I need something witty and fun!
I identify as bisexual, but I am mostly attracted to masculinity and femininity no matter their identity. I had to realise this about myself when I hardcore crushed on a female and had complicated feelings about her. And various others after! I told my immediate family and they very supportive. (Mom dated a girl once, and sister is also bisexual) I went on a date with a woman for the first time this year, she was a bit overly affectionate but it was fun for the times we met!
I won't be going to any Pride events as I don't feel very comfortable going. I tend to stick to supporting those in the military who LGBTQ+ and serving. Despite what the media might say, the Army at least has programs in place to prevent discrimination and we work hard to fight against hatred.
I don't think I have Pride merch, but perhaps I need something witty and fun!
Novalyyn wrote:
Abigail, it might be worthwhile for you to look into non-binary and genderqueer. There is a lot within that with the founding concept being a break away from either/or, instead using a blend (or foregoing it all) as seems right to a given individual. And while swapping pronouns is certainly common, it is not required. I know a nonbinary person who prefers she/her.
I've also heard of a "group" called he/him lesbians. They are generally AFAB people, or at least identify as women who like women, but still prefer he/him pronouns.
You don't have to, of course, but your age doesn't mean you can't.
I've also heard of a "group" called he/him lesbians. They are generally AFAB people, or at least identify as women who like women, but still prefer he/him pronouns.
You don't have to, of course, but your age doesn't mean you can't.
Thanks, Nova.
I'm bisexual (or pansexual)
Happy pride month everyone!
Happy pride month everyone!
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