Now I'm not here to debate or talk about the scriptures. I just need a sort of opinion with the race for my own story I'm making. Concerning a couple of different things, height, power, and I think that it. Cause for the nehpilim, I'm trying to make this close to the scripture in appearance, yet not go full blown fantasy. My character Gokan happens to be tall and I'm just wondering should I make him to 7-9ft tall or just leave it at minimal 7ft. As for the angels, this has been confusing me for the largest amount of time....their genders. I been looking up media, such as the manga "Angel Para bellum", another manga about nephilim, forgot the name, and scriptures. I can't seem to find an idea of what gender they should be. Cause portrays them as having both genders in one body, another shows they change gender upon making a body or possessing one. As for half demons, and demons in general. I have the concept down pretty well I mean, video games tend to portray them pretty well. If any question pops up I'll post them here. And that pretty much it. Again I'm justing looking for opinions, I know I can mix things up since it my story, but some things just get confusing. Oh and sorry if I posted this on the wrong forum ^^'' was kinda in a rush.
Actually, in the Genesis account (in the Bible,) the nephilim are actually described as "giants" and they're the sons of angels and men. (Angel daddy, human mommy.)
These guys were much bigger than your average basketball player. I mean, they ranged from 15 to 35 feet in height.
No wings, no supernatural powers. (Maybe they could see demons or something. All I know is that if you're that big, nobody messes with you.)
You're probably thinking of the seraphim. Those are angels with three pairs of wings, and a heckuva lot of holy power. They're generally higher up in the ranks of angels as far as angels go, methinks.
As for the gender, I'd guess that angels do have gender, but they don't have a sex the same way that humans have a sex. (I'd assume, and I'm only ASSUMING that God Himself would be the one to create angels, and not have them procreating on their own.)
Maybe you could come up with a hybrid version of these angels? Giant seraphim four times the size of Goliath with flaming swords and three sets of majestic wings, each one a different color of the rainbow?
(Also, I've never heard of myths where angels took over or created new bodies for themselves. As far as I know, all the myths say that angels have their own bodies. Then again, I haven't looked into it that thoroughly, so what do I know.
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I dunno. Anyway, hope this helps!
~Oaky.
These guys were much bigger than your average basketball player. I mean, they ranged from 15 to 35 feet in height.
No wings, no supernatural powers. (Maybe they could see demons or something. All I know is that if you're that big, nobody messes with you.)
You're probably thinking of the seraphim. Those are angels with three pairs of wings, and a heckuva lot of holy power. They're generally higher up in the ranks of angels as far as angels go, methinks.
As for the gender, I'd guess that angels do have gender, but they don't have a sex the same way that humans have a sex. (I'd assume, and I'm only ASSUMING that God Himself would be the one to create angels, and not have them procreating on their own.)
Maybe you could come up with a hybrid version of these angels? Giant seraphim four times the size of Goliath with flaming swords and three sets of majestic wings, each one a different color of the rainbow?
(Also, I've never heard of myths where angels took over or created new bodies for themselves. As far as I know, all the myths say that angels have their own bodies. Then again, I haven't looked into it that thoroughly, so what do I know.
)I dunno. Anyway, hope this helps!
~Oaky.
Well yes that is true, and most of my characters powers who are nephilim aren't so special compared to other supernatural beings. And currently my story is gonna be a manga so, yea.. you can see why confusion with the character and race designs. On one hand Gokan is the angel of death son, so I feel like I should make him at least 9ft tall, or 8.5ft like the bones they uncovered of a roman solider who was nephilim. Power wise...Not much, other then being very strong, and fast. And what ever uniqueness they pick up. And as for the angel, the only reason I worry is because I don't want Gokan Daddy, being momdad like in "Angel para bellum" where archangel Gabriel and Azrael were both futa's >.< With the explanation, angels are neither male or female so their both .-. Like...That made me confused and wondering. And as for my character sake, I already worked on how the nephilim should act personality wise, how they should fight, react in futuristic society. It just certain kinks that need to be worked upon.
Qsilver wrote:
Well yes that is true, and most of my characters powers who are nephilim aren't so special compared to other supernatural beings. And currently my story is gonna be a manga so, yea.. you can see why confusion with the character and race designs. On one hand Gokan is the angel of death son, so I feel like I should make him at least 9ft tall, or 8.5ft like the bones they uncovered of a roman solider who was nephilim. Power wise...Not much, other then being very strong, and fast. And what ever uniqueness they pick up. And as for the angel, the only reason I worry is because I don't want Gokan Daddy, being momdad like in "Angel para bellum" where archangel Gabriel and Azrael were both futa's >.< With the explanation, angels are neither male or female so their both .-. Like...That made me confused and wondering. And as for my character sake, I already worked on how the nephilim should act personality wise, how they should fight, react in futuristic society. It just certain kinks that need to be worked upon.
... Did- Was that- Okay.
Mm-hm. Right, I gotcha.
Yea sorry if I tend not to make sense in my typing. It late at night, been stressed with alot going on. So bear with me and if you have any misunderstandings to what I said, just tell me. Again I apologize for it.
Bear in mind these terms only have as much meaning as we ascribe to them. For example in Diablo 3, nephalem are the offspring of angels and demons. This gave me a good chuckle the first time they mentioned this in the game, since it's the most quintessentially fanfictiony, mary sue bs I've seen in a long time. The writing has taken a hell of a dive since the first game.
(Granted that's probably been part of the lore the whole time, but at least they had the good sense not to mention it prominently.)
Back on topic, the point is that it depends on what you believe. Lots of people think angels wouldn't have a gender since they're immortal and don't normally reproduce.
(Granted that's probably been part of the lore the whole time, but at least they had the good sense not to mention it prominently.)
Back on topic, the point is that it depends on what you believe. Lots of people think angels wouldn't have a gender since they're immortal and don't normally reproduce.
I'm a little confused as to what sort of advice you actually want here. Oaky made some really good points on what the biblical interpretations of the species is, and besides that I'm not sure there's a whole lot else to go by. 
Most of this is so largely based on vague ideas and descriptions that no one version sounds like the 'right' one.
Ross is right though, it's all what you make it to be. If you don't follow the biblical interpretation then it's a creation of your own, and you can do whatever you want with it. Wings, no wings, 7 feet, 15 feet, whatever works for your imagination!
Maybe it helps you to figure out what to do with the character if you ask yourself what setting he will go in. What will he be doing? What's the plot? What are his desires? What are his goals? What motivates him? Once you have answers to these questions, you can make decisions on his appearance and powers to make the story as interesting as possible, whether that's giving him limitations (e.g. too tall to be comfortable in most situations/buildings) or making him normal for the setting.
Most of this is so largely based on vague ideas and descriptions that no one version sounds like the 'right' one.Ross is right though, it's all what you make it to be. If you don't follow the biblical interpretation then it's a creation of your own, and you can do whatever you want with it. Wings, no wings, 7 feet, 15 feet, whatever works for your imagination!
Maybe it helps you to figure out what to do with the character if you ask yourself what setting he will go in. What will he be doing? What's the plot? What are his desires? What are his goals? What motivates him? Once you have answers to these questions, you can make decisions on his appearance and powers to make the story as interesting as possible, whether that's giving him limitations (e.g. too tall to be comfortable in most situations/buildings) or making him normal for the setting.
I was mostly looking for opinions on the few things I mention, I have most of it sorted out. But it was just for some strange reason, the height of the nephilim and the angel's gender made me confused. And I appreciate all the help and advice. It just awkward working with beings that are so vaguely touched upon, and while I was doing pretty well creating my own version and world, just those certain things got me confused. Cause ya know, you read a manga with the angel of death and all of sudden all of the angels are both male and female x.x It was awkward when I read that part.
As far as I understand it, Angels aren't actually combinations of both genders, but are rather genderless beings entirely. Since the Angelic Race doesn't procreate, since they are direct creations of God's will, then they have no need for gender or sex. Similarly, I've always thought of them as having a kind of spiritual essence - a body on the metaphysical plane from whence they came, similar to how a soul would be made of a spiritual 'essence' but be immaterial on the earthly plane.
As part of their divine nature, however, I suppose it would be possible for Angels to manifest themselves in a physical body for interacting with mortals. The Nephilim, as the combination of two vastly different natures sound as if they'd be a tad unstable - their Angel-nature and their Human-nature conflicting, since part of them is a spiritual being and part of them is a physical being.
Furthermore, the Nephilim are the children of Fallen Angels, but as far as I am aware the Angel of Death (Uriel or Raphael I think) are not amongst the Fallen, being Archangels in some texts. That said, it's your story and world and I've always had a vague idea for one of my characters that he's a Nephilim and doesn't know about it.
As part of their divine nature, however, I suppose it would be possible for Angels to manifest themselves in a physical body for interacting with mortals. The Nephilim, as the combination of two vastly different natures sound as if they'd be a tad unstable - their Angel-nature and their Human-nature conflicting, since part of them is a spiritual being and part of them is a physical being.
Furthermore, the Nephilim are the children of Fallen Angels, but as far as I am aware the Angel of Death (Uriel or Raphael I think) are not amongst the Fallen, being Archangels in some texts. That said, it's your story and world and I've always had a vague idea for one of my characters that he's a Nephilim and doesn't know about it.
Also, if you're using manga as the basis for a character, you might want to rethink your character.
You can easily find hundreds, maybe thousands, of such characters already, on just this site. They all have one thing in common.
Determining what they all have in common is left as an exercise for the reader.
You can easily find hundreds, maybe thousands, of such characters already, on just this site. They all have one thing in common.
Determining what they all have in common is left as an exercise for the reader.
The_Ross wrote:
Also, if you're using manga as the basis for a character, you might want to rethink your character.
You can easily find hundreds, maybe thousands, of such characters already, on just this site. They all have one thing in common.
Determining what they all have in common is left as an exercise for the reader.
You can easily find hundreds, maybe thousands, of such characters already, on just this site. They all have one thing in common.
Determining what they all have in common is left as an exercise for the reader.
^^^ This.
From what I been reading off religious sites, or just any sites in general. It always been portrayed as Azrael or Samuel to be the Angel of death. Other times it been different angels without a name. Many different sites say different things, so for a story, I'm guess it just up for the creator to decide who he wants to give that role to. And yes while that angel is part of the fallen, he my story he falls for reasons.
And yea, it would seem to be more likely that they didn't have a gender, spiritually at least. I think when they come down to earth in their mortal body they chose their genders for the situation that is needed.
There been plenty of characters that been nephilim for video games, managas, and media in general. Granted, it may seem as an overused concept. In my opinion it just more about the character and what it goes through rather then the race it self. I mean, not every character goes through the same thing. Plus, each nephilim character, from what I been seeing, have there own little characterization that makes them unique and different. Like Aaron corbett from the Fallen series, and the characters from the Mortal Instruments. Both have the name Nephilim in them. Yet their both different.
And yea, it would seem to be more likely that they didn't have a gender, spiritually at least. I think when they come down to earth in their mortal body they chose their genders for the situation that is needed.
There been plenty of characters that been nephilim for video games, managas, and media in general. Granted, it may seem as an overused concept. In my opinion it just more about the character and what it goes through rather then the race it self. I mean, not every character goes through the same thing. Plus, each nephilim character, from what I been seeing, have there own little characterization that makes them unique and different. Like Aaron corbett from the Fallen series, and the characters from the Mortal Instruments. Both have the name Nephilim in them. Yet their both different.
I'd be interested in seeing the so-called evidence of a Roman soldier who was a nephilim. While the minimum height requirements for the Roman army was 5ft 10"/11" and there was a Germanic unit where all of the men were over 6ft, anything over 6ft 8" is stretching credulity. Even then, an excess in height can easily be explained in scientific means without resorting to the ancient alien hypothesis, or Biblical theology.
spellplague wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing the so-called evidence of a Roman soldier who was a nephilim. While the minimum height requirements for the Roman army was 5ft 10"/11" and there was a Germanic unit where all of the men were over 6ft, anything over 6ft 8" is stretching credulity. Even then, an excess in height can easily be explained in scientific means without resorting to the ancient alien hypothesis, or Biblical theology.
Whoa, man. What happened to no debate? (I'm a Christian, myself, and you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll let it slide. But in the future let's refrain from making statements about things we haven't even studied thoroughly enough to have an opinion? Thanks.)
Oaky wrote:
spellplague wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing the so-called evidence of a Roman soldier who was a nephilim. While the minimum height requirements for the Roman army was 5ft 10"/11" and there was a Germanic unit where all of the men were over 6ft, anything over 6ft 8" is stretching credulity. Even then, an excess in height can easily be explained in scientific means without resorting to the ancient alien hypothesis, or Biblical theology.
Whoa, man. What happened to no debate? (I'm a Christian, myself, and you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll let it slide. But in the future let's refrain from making statements about things we haven't even studied thoroughly enough to have an opinion? Thanks.)
I hardly considered what I was asking to be a debate, considering the entire nature of the thread is discussing something that is full of differing sources of material both fictional, historical, theological and to do with pseudoscience (which is the beauty of role-playing; multiple sources!). It was intended to be a perfectly reasonable request for at least one article on what they claimed.
I might not have worded it in the most neutral way perhaps, but it is not something I have personally come across in my own research (Roman soldier nephilim part, and only that part was I referring to). And, so far as Romans go, I am studying it (and have studied it) thoroughly enough to have an opinion, as both a graduate and a Roman re-enactor. I just do not like seeing people making claims on something that I am personally passionate about which might lead to mis-education.
spellplague wrote:
Oaky wrote:
spellplague wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing the so-called evidence of a Roman soldier who was a nephilim. While the minimum height requirements for the Roman army was 5ft 10"/11" and there was a Germanic unit where all of the men were over 6ft, anything over 6ft 8" is stretching credulity. Even then, an excess in height can easily be explained in scientific means without resorting to the ancient alien hypothesis, or Biblical theology.
Whoa, man. What happened to no debate? (I'm a Christian, myself, and you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll let it slide. But in the future let's refrain from making statements about things we haven't even studied thoroughly enough to have an opinion? Thanks.)
I hardly considered what I was asking to be a debate, considering the entire nature of the thread is discussing something that is full of differing sources of material both fictional, historical, theological and to do with pseudoscience (which is the beauty of role-playing; multiple sources!). It was intended to be a perfectly reasonable request for at least one article on what they claimed.
I might not have worded it in the most neutral way perhaps, but it is not something I have personally come across in my own research (Roman soldier nephilim part, and only that part was I referring to). And, so far as Romans go, I am studying it (and have studied it) thoroughly enough to have an opinion, as both a graduate and a Roman re-enactor. I just do not like seeing people making claims on something that I am personally passionate about which might lead to mis-education.
Wow, apologies. I had assumed you were referring to nephilim in general, which weren't romans at all. (Made my brain go "Err??")
I was totally wrong about that.
Sorry about the confusion.
Oaky wrote:
spellplague wrote:
Oaky wrote:
spellplague wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing the so-called evidence of a Roman soldier who was a nephilim. While the minimum height requirements for the Roman army was 5ft 10"/11" and there was a Germanic unit where all of the men were over 6ft, anything over 6ft 8" is stretching credulity. Even then, an excess in height can easily be explained in scientific means without resorting to the ancient alien hypothesis, or Biblical theology.
Whoa, man. What happened to no debate? (I'm a Christian, myself, and you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll let it slide. But in the future let's refrain from making statements about things we haven't even studied thoroughly enough to have an opinion? Thanks.)
I hardly considered what I was asking to be a debate, considering the entire nature of the thread is discussing something that is full of differing sources of material both fictional, historical, theological and to do with pseudoscience (which is the beauty of role-playing; multiple sources!). It was intended to be a perfectly reasonable request for at least one article on what they claimed.
I might not have worded it in the most neutral way perhaps, but it is not something I have personally come across in my own research (Roman soldier nephilim part, and only that part was I referring to). And, so far as Romans go, I am studying it (and have studied it) thoroughly enough to have an opinion, as both a graduate and a Roman re-enactor. I just do not like seeing people making claims on something that I am personally passionate about which might lead to mis-education.
Wow, apologies. I had assumed you were referring to nephilim in general, which weren't romans at all. (Made my brain go "Err??")
I was totally wrong about that.
Sorry about the confusion. No worries, haha. I know a little about them, but, certainly not enough to debate on them!
It was more of a link I was reading, about how they discovered skeletons of people where were at least 8-9ft tall, some people being 14ft, or higher. I would provide the link to the article if ya want it. Honestly I just found interesting to read, to me. Even it was bs or not x.x
[edit] And I found the site, http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm <--- It was here where I read about the roman soilder or as it stated.
[edit] And I found the site, http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm <--- It was here where I read about the roman soilder or as it stated.
Qsilver wrote:
It was more of a link I was reading, about how they discovered skeletons of people where were at least 8-9ft tall, some people being 14ft, or higher. I would provide the link to the article if ya want it. Honestly I just found interesting to read, to me. Even it was bs or not x.x
[edit] And I found the site, http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm <--- It was here where I read about the roman soilder or as it stated.
[edit] And I found the site, http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm <--- It was here where I read about the roman soilder or as it stated.
Just did a skim through some books/online sources.
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According to Historia Augusta, "he was of such size, so Cordus reports, that men said he was eight foot, six inches [c.2.5 metres] in height".[37] It is very likely however that this is one of the many 'tall tales' in the Historia Augusta, and is immediately suspect due to its citation of 'Cordus', one of the several fictitious authorities the work cites.[38]
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Some historians interpret the stories on Maximinus' unusual height (as well as other information on his appearance, like excessive sweating and superhuman strength) as popular stereotyped attributes which do no more than intentionally turn him into a stylized embodiment of the barbarian bandit[40] or emphasize the admiration and aversion that the image of the soldier evoked in the civilian population.[41]
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His consistent portrayal as a man with a prominent brow, nose, and jaw, made some researchers to suspect that he may have suffered from overgrowth to some extent in form of acromegaly.[42]
Acromegaly is associated with gigantism. So, if he was even near the height listed that is unlikely, any height or pronounced features had an entirely medical reason
It is interesting, yes! I hadn't heard of him before
Heh, we learn something new and interesting everyday....or most days at least. ^^''
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