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This information pertains to Furcadia user Light also known as Akechi here on RP Repository.

This user has stolen at least three alts, Dark, Xerneas, and Apollo, and has been attempting to sell at least two of these.

The situation is as follows:
Light and the alts' owner had dated for about 5 years, and in that time, Light gifted the above three alts. Recently the two broke up, and in the fallout, Light snuck back access to these alts and changed their password/e-mails. Their owner had been told some alts were taken back when she was sent a breakup letter, but had to inquire as to which alts had been taken.

In 2017, while the relationship was still in a good place, they had a conversation in which the owner had stated she would be willing to give back the alts, with the implication that there would be a discussion beforehand - not having them outright pulled from under her. These were all conversations that happened over Discord. These alts have been on their owner's account for over 6 months, with at least one being on her e-mail for over two years.

It has also been brought up that Light has a history of taking back gifts, has been claiming money is for rent when she is buying alts, desctags, digos, and other items (Gold Sponsorship, as well as non-Furcadia items).


ETA:
Please note that she is going to reply to this post with a couple of screenshots I wish to address.

The first one states the owner would be willing to give them back. Give. Not have them taken. If you agreed that your spouse could keep the house if you divorced, and one day you came home to the locks having been changed and divorce papers waiting for you, that wouldn't be what you had agreed to, would it?

Another screenshot involves the owner saying "whatever, you can have back dark and xerneas." This was said immediately after the breakup and subsequent fallout, when tensions are high and the owner simply wanted things to be over with.
After the alts were already stolen.

According to what I've seen/heard/read, they were not "pulled from under her" as suddenly and cruelly as you put it. She also did not "sneak in and change the passwords". They were given back to her, and it was agreed upon during their relationship that these gifts would be returned if anything happened to the relationship.

I think there is a huge misunderstanding/misconception about the entire ordeal that needs to be addressed from both sides, not just a group of people taking one side and DELETING PROOF that would say otherwise.

I made an edit just a moment ago, and if you had paid attention to Rikki in FAM, you'd have heard that they are acknowledging and making an amendment to the original post there.

I have screenshots, thank you.

My post still stands, especially seeing as though the original "I would give them back" was said during a positive time, and the owner was not spoken to before having the alts taken away.
Had Light just asked first, then taken action on the gifted alts, this would be a different conversation.

Howdy!

I'm out doing my dailies on Pokemon GO but since FAM is deleting all my proof of this user being fine with this I'll post those here in my defense later.

Some points:

Yes, and no! This user is very much aware I took these alts as I let her know when we broke up. Out of the 20 or more I've purchased to share or gift to her I've only requested these three back. She told me she was fine on many different occasions, including the day after, AND a week after the break up! She told me this less than 30 days ago. This is not old.

She may have Apollo, the one troublesome alt, back. Dark and Xerneas she confirmed she was fine with me having when we discussed. Later she changed her mind and said i could have dark back only. I'm willing to return the other two once apollo's catten is transferable! Those two being Xerneas and Apollo. I will keep Dark as you've expressed you dont care about it.

What I want to know is why this was made a month AFTER we broke up? You spoke to me a few days ago and never mentioned wanting them back? You're friends labeled me as a thief without accepting my proof which I'll post when I get home.

Thanks for reading! I'd prefer we work this out in game before it becomes a mess.

Btw, you cant make an agreement to return them and then change yout mind later. That isn't how agreement work!

No need, I can do that for you.

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And yes, actually, you can change your mind on something you said two years prior. That's actually how things work. She didn't sign anything about it. There's nothing official about the comment she made. She's not bound to it.

According to them even she said the only one she wants back is apollo. She can have him back in that case. As well as xerneas. I'd been considering returnin them last night anyway.

Posting for Light since she isn't home. I screenied everything so no alteration can be made.

https://imgur.com/a/AxkJYmn

Light, if you have any further issues, especially in regards to myself, you are no longer blocked on Discord. You may not contact me in Furcadia, and I will not be posting any further. I have shown proof, and will leave it up to other users to draw their own conclusions from here on out.

Thanks, but I'll pass. I'll return the 2 I've mentioned a moment ago when I get home. I'd rather people see as your group enjoys telling a one sided story.

BTW, I have returned the two alts she requested.



This was the notepad she sent me regarding her response to my initial breakup letter (which she sent like a week and a half after the initial break up). I'm not posting the rest of the letter out of respect for her because it's all personal. I would have been fine having someone (neutral party) mediate this so we could talk about it out if I had known she was going to make these threads, but no. No, I wasn't even informed, and I've checked all my usual haunt alts to see if she left me offlines. Nothing is there. There was ONE attempt to get APOLLO back, 2 months ago, which I, at the time, said no, but changed my mind a few weeks after everything had calmed down. Two friends of mine suggested I return the initial two she wanted back (Xerneas and Apollo) back, and I sat and thought about it, so I would have been okay if she'd been open to talking to me before she made the threads oh my GOD isnt that an FAM rule?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467077708044697610/637498101443330088/unknown.png

I also want to note that if she wants to relate this entire thing to a marriage break up, that goes both ways. I never requested any of the other alts back, just those three. Over $400 in shit that I allowed her to keep, all I wanted were these three and now all I want back is Dark. She said it's fine. Look at the logs.

If this was truly a divorce arrangement like she's comparing it to ('she broke into my house and stole my TV!!!!!' Mature.) we would have BOTH SAT DOWN and talked about it. We tried to. She panicked and blocked me again. She disregarded attempts to work out our problems after the storm had calmed and now it's all fired up again because damn, Light, how dare I ask for credits for work I did in HER dream? Tragedy.

Oh, and if she's comparing it to a divorce, I paid her back for an alt she gifted me. So, I've allowed her to keep more than our combined share of this shit. I think I'm within my right to ask for ONE alt back she stated she DIDN'T CARE ABOUT.

Do not speak with me ever again, unless it is within a controlled environment with a NEUTRAL PARTY. I don't want anything to do with you or your precious 'friends' ever again.

Get out of my life.

I would like to mention that Light actually spoke to me last night about some of those names being transferred back, but she wasn't given the chance to send it to anyone prior to being very passively-aggressively silence-ruled by everyone before she could reach out in any capacity:






Her reiterating that she wasn't given the chance to before alerts were posted (sorry for weird words or random misspellings, text-to-speech tries its best):








Light has also given me permission to post that she's also letting Esbreeon keep several other valuable alts (Persona, Pokemon, etc) that were established gifts:










She's just set Apollo to Esbreeon's email with her catten still on it because this is too much to even continue with long enough to wait to remove it. As someone who bears you no ill-will, OP, let's both as their friends step back and allow them settle anything else from here on before riling up the community any further. There's a lot of people who've become embroiled in this, and I think it's part of what's caused so much trouble. So let's all take a step back.

BTW, just because I love screenshots and proof, this happened yesterday after a misunderstanding between her and I. I'll post these logs in private if requested. Not public.

We talked and mediated with a third party. It was great. It was calm. I apologized for being a dick. We made up.



Ah, oh, nevermind?

ALSO, yeah, her friends attacked me and sent me a huge thing and then put me on the silence rule and then YET AGAIN WHISPERED ME to tell me she was putting me on the silence rule. Isn't that breaking your own rule?

ALSO, there's this too. The only one I was actively selling was Dark, because she stated she didn't care about it. Multiple times. Xerneas? Here.


Esbreeon09/29/2019
really wish you would have at least told me about selling xerneas

Ace Defective09/29/2019
I mean if you wanna outbid them go ahead. They're offering 150
And the only reason it was offered to them is because they're also buying yveltal

^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ I wasn't actively selling it. I offered it to ONE PERSON who was buying its PAIR and that's it. They couldn't pay for it so I retracted it. Get your facts straight. Also note this was a month after the break up. She's making this thread two months after the incident so like ..?? Explain? She didn't mention anything about wanting them back even two months after the fact. So I kind of don't really see her logic in 'well it happened RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK UP!!'

No, Esbreeon failed to try and talk to me about wanting them back even after we started hashing things out a couple days ago. Never brought up once after the initial backlash of our breakup till now.

More:





So she sent me at least three verification three different times that it was okay to take them back, first it was Dark and Xerneas but now it's only Dark I can have back, so that's what I've adhered to.

Just want to drop that the silence rule only works if you say it in Furcadia. It is null and void if applied elsewhere.

As an aside, this is the DS that she "created" and caused a fuss about credit for. This is not her post on the Furcadia forums in 2011.

(The exact script added to the small hangout dream was altered slightly.)


The user in question regarding the DS actually does not want the logs with her to be shared, but does not have an active RPR account to post (or at least cannot access her account). She would like to stay out of this post, as this thread is about alts, not script work.


I, the thread OP, have posted only my own words. Esb is not telling me what to post, I am. You had been removed from the silence rule, and you were told as such two days ago. And, as stated, I have unblocked you on Discord. She has never once attempted all of her routes of contact.

Also, to be fair, I've been thinking about making this post since the 6th, but only posted today because Esb had been telling me to hold off. I simply decided I was going to anyway.

False. Cironir will adhere harassment off site if it started on Furcadia. This was confirmed through my problems with Sapphirus.

Editted my post because I realized I don't want to sound like a salty bitch. The DS has nothing to do with the fact of the manner she kind of shrugged off mediation between her and I with a neutral party over the misunderstanding about some DS. That's it. I wasn't going to be able to talk to her about these serious things if she was going to have that much of a panic attack over it, honestly.

This part's actually untrue, and I'm just stating that for posterity. Cironir has actually acted upon offsite harassment to intervene depending on the situation. As well as Furc-adjacent communities like FAM and probably this one as well, and that's why the silence rule is a bit of a wall.

The whispers to place her on the silence rule were done as a failsafe, as none of us have had confirmation from a Guardian before that it counts if done out of the game. No harassment was intended, everyone was simply following what is stated in Furcadia's TOS.